Again, same things for the Westerns Division (read below on the Eastern Poll for criteria of teams being listed). Here it is much simpler as these are only the teams from the 2007 Western Tournament.
Wednesday, September 05, 2007
Top Western HS Open Team of 2008
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what is the reasons people are putting Northwest and Hopkins way up there
I dont think that Northwest will be as strong this year. The loss of more then 10 seniors, including the top 10 players on the team, will make this a rebuilding year for them. It is a similar situation for the top four finishers last year, Northwest, South Eugene, Nathan Hale, and Churchill. I also think that Hopkins is a bit over -rated from there 2nd place finish two years ago. Lakeside and Seattle Academy will be the top 2 this year.
just a fact: nathan hale lost 16 seniors from their 2007 squad.
Hopkins beat lakeside last year when they had kids with food poisoning and Hopkins has the same core returning to the team I wouldnt be suprised to see them go far. I know Northwest lost one of the greatest senior classes and a team that will go into the books as one of the greats but they have a middle school feeder program and i am sure that they will do well. SAS does have the same team last year and Jimi Hooper has improved and looked good at YCC. I dont know I am expecting the Hopkins kids to come out strong they have kids who have played with eachother for a long time and have great athleticism. It will be fun to see what happens this year, and maybe Junction city will be the great supriser this year??????????
I have seen hopkins play many times and they have themselves a good core group. With Arenson and Brickwedde at their primes and many others to support, i think they have a good chance at nationals. They are set for the next few years with players like asa gotlieb and simon gottlieb to shut down the back of the field, and Robbie Shapiro and Matt Grewe to get it to them. Overall, i think hopkins will pull through this year ahead of the rest.
any team with cooper schumacher simply cannot lose a game. it isnt possible. nws is gonna fourpeat, sorry lakeside and saas. cooper schumacher is just too damn good.
Why does everyone think hopkins is so good? they are decent but their offense is really easy to shut down and they dont have any standout players. Last year they lost to Lakeside, Saas, Churchill, and a couple other teams i think.
On that note, who are some of the more standout players on some of these top teams? Who will be leading the Washington teams this year?
on SAAS its obviousley Jimi Hooper and Raider. On Lakeside its Juilian 'squishmitten" walker and Justin Norden. On Hopkins its Greg Arenson Brickwedde and i guess the Gotlieb kids. I wonder what will happen?
Jacob Janin.
Rehder doesn't go to SAAS. He hasn't since his freshman year. However, SAAS does have Michael Revelas, who is a baller.
South will be strong this year, so will SAAS and Lakeside. Hopkins has the potential to be good, but we'll have to see.
Sam Keller
Lakeside #22
i dont get how you can count out hopkins so much? they beat lakeside without a bunch of their players or something. and they still have their core group back from last year from what i have heard.
saas tooled hopkins.
well, SAAS did kinda roll hopkins at westerns, and Lakeside beat them on saturday pool play when both teams had all their players. albeit, it was on universe point, so lakeside and hopkins will be pretty even.
semis:
Saas vs Hopkins
Lakeside vs South Eugene
Finals
Saas over Lakeside
no idea who will win
Lakeside didn't have a great tournament. We weren't playing well and we didn't have the right mindset. However, we did beat them when they had all of their good players, and they beat us when a lot of them were sick. We just didn't step it up enough. However, if I've heard right, Hopkins lost a fair amount more players than Lakeside. I'm not saying they won't be anything- they definitely have the potential to be good. I'm just saying we'll have to wait and see (the tourney is in may, after all...)
Also, Lakeside hasn't lost to SAAS since 2005. They will be sick this year though, and I'm pumped to play them.
Sam Keller
Lakeside #22
Lakeside will definately be sick this year. They had a rough schedule last year and went 2-1, but got a hard match-up against Rockhurst in the pre-quarters. Plus they lost one player from last years team. From playing both teams, Lakeside was probably better then Rockhurst, but i didnt get to see the game so im not really sure what happened. I dont know about South next year though, they lost a bunch of huge players. Jacob is amazing, but i dont think he will be enough to get them past quarters or semis at the best. I think people are voting for Northwest just because they are obviously well known as the best in the west for a while, and some people dont realize that this will be a huge rebuilding year for them.
SAAS vs Lakeside is gonna be intense this year.
Simon Montague
SAAS #9
Hopkins did lose a couple of the players but wasnt there sophomores who beat lakeside second day.....they have super stars and chemistry they will be good. SAAS did waste opkins thoguh last year when two captains had to leave for disclocated body parts but no excuses. Lakeside probably has the best returning team. All that matter is how the west will be won
Ok my last comment of the night:
I meant no offense to Hopkins players. You guys are ballers; I met a few of you at YCC. I've loved playing you guys, and I'm pumped to play again at westerns 08.
love,
sam
hopkins will be decent. they lose some players. lakeside is going to be good. they will win westerns. saas doesn't have the experience, hale loses too many, churchill loses their roster, and south...well they played great this year. don't write off northwest either. they may not win it this year, but they still have some very good players that will be talked about once they get a chance to play.
saas has more experience than lakeside. if anyone makes the young underachieving mistakes it will be the youngish lakeside team. northwest has a program same with hopkins. the whole scene will take a hit but what can you do. and sam whats up with this signing your posts. everybody knows playultimate is for anonymous trashtalk.
South graduated five guys last year. Ivan, Sam, Jimmy, Miles, and myself. One of Churchill's best young players, Dylan Freechild transfered to South and will be a sophomore this year. We had two eighth graders playing with us at westerns last year, one of which was a starting O-line handler. They will have matured out of their awkward pubescent bodies. I have been playing with Jacob Janin all summer on Rhino and he has grown by huge leaps and bounds, and I would argue that he's the best player in high school ultimate. Watch out for south. Finals prediction: South 15 - Northwest 12
Johnny Bloch
#8
Rhino Ultimate
South could be good but i dunno about northwest. Plus id say the loss of those huge players on south will make them not as good this year. SAAS and Lakeside will be the same teams but with more maturity and better teamwork after each team only loses one player. Prediction: SAAS, Lakeside, South, and Hopkins semis. SAAS Lakeside final
Hopkins has to many super stars to handle. Everyone on their team can play. If any team matches up with Hopkins this year it will be SAAS or lakeside, but how to you shut down four world hopefuls on one team?
hopkins is a very athletic team and they can only get better but i dont think they will be that much better than anyone else. i would though be surprised if they didnt make the semis. nws is always good. but again with the loss off that many players and leadership it wont be a surprise if they make the semis but it wont be a surprise if they dont. lakeside is good but i just dont think they have the all around game. saas will be huge this year and could take it.
saas
nws
sehs
hopkins in the semis
i think hopkins is the weakest of that group but anyone of them could beat the other it just depends on the format and the seeding.
no argument jacob janin is one of the best high school players out there.
dylan freechild
south eugene
South will be good next year. People underestimate them. And Jacob is insane. And I disagree that Lakeside will be as good as people are letting on. They aren't really athletic and don't really impress me as much as SAAS or South. And did Cretin-Derham graduate players, because they were pretty good at Westerns. Better than Hopkins, Lakeside and SAAS at least.
Saas will be pretty good this year. Lakeside will also be good. South has Jacob Janin who is in my opinion by far the best highschool player on the west coast for sure. It will be a close battle between these three teams.
Jimmy Hooper
Saas #2
matt rehder will absolutely tool jacob janin or jimmy hooper or anybody in the air any day of the weak. Jimmy has better throws than jacob but jacob is a dominant cutter. it will be close
matt rehder probably won't be at westerns...he goes to roosevelt
Two 8th graders on your UPA roster for westerns that requires all players to be from your school? How did this take place? Anyone else catch this?
oh no! they're picking up ringer 8th graders! what a scandal!
seriously. plus lots of schools are middle school and high school. thats how northwest is. we played with an 8th grader in colorado.
You guys are all retarded.........JUnction City is going to roll over everyone at Westerns they are just unbeleivable screw hopkins, south, lakeside, and SAAS Junction City is the best.
The Kings of Ultimate
its a big leap going from talking about who will win westerns to whos better than who. you cant decide that in the fall westerns is still so far away. rehder janin and hooper will be three dominant players though.
Dylan Freechild
sehs ultimate
could we have a discussion on who are the top candidates for worlds next year
from everything i've heard, rehder isn't gonna be at westerns. if that's true, that levels the playing field a lot.
Jacob Janin for sure..........Hooper.........and who is still elgible from last years worlds?
In Seattle, some of the top players from each school are:
SAAS- Jimmy Hooper, Michael Revelas, Simon Montague
Lakeside: Julian Childs-Walker, Sam Keller, Justin Nordon
Hale: Jake Coate
Northwest: Austin (dont know his last name)
Roosevelt: Matt Rehder
Then in Oregon theres Jacob Janin
I dont know about anywhere else
-westerns final
south vs. SAAS
16-13 south
-semis
lakside south
SAAS hopkins
teams should seriously start planning now for a trip to paideia cup in atlanta. it's usually sometime in april. that's probably the only and best chance for cross-country competition, unless east coast teams decide to make the trip to seattle's spring reign.
Which they won't, because Spring Reign is mixed.
Also, 16-13 is an impossible score.
Nothing is impossible!
Hey Hopkins Highschool in Minnesota is trying to plan a tournament to finish the discussion who is better east or west.....a 16 team invite 8 from the east and 8 from the west so clear your calenders and look forward to ending the discussion on which coast is the better one
Asa Gotlieb
Hopkins Hurt #22
what's the ideal time of year in minnesota?
16-13 is easily possible in a tournament with a final game to 17 that had a cap thrown on...
But Westerns is played to 15.
That east/west tournament should have been last year. The west last year was the best it has ever seen. This year, not so much. Maybe next year though. There will be better players then.
May 3 is the date that the tournamnet would probably be held
Does South have the depth to win westerns? i know Jacob Janin is one of if not the best youth player right now, but it's hard to win a turny with one guy.
-kc
Well they got to the finals last year with only two guys against much stiffer competition.
South will lose to SAAS and Lakeside no question. Jacob Janin cant beat a whole team. No way.
I bet Jacob could beat the whole lakeside team. But anyways, they have a lot of other talent backing him up. They have some young guys that tear it up. Dylan and Aaron are straight up ballers. Watch out for them. They have some really athletic guys they picked up last year that are going to be a lot better too.
Semis- SAAS v Hopkins
South v Lakeside
Final- SAAS v South
I don't know who would win the final. SAAS is a pretty deep squad, but South has a lot of talent.
saas kinda just has jimmy hooper and michael revelas...and simon
If saas comes focused, they will win westerns. that probably wont happen, but they still have a good shot at it. Jacob Janin will not shutdown a team.... especially one with Jimmy HOoper or Julian Childs Walker
true.
a focused saas team is a really good team.
SAAS has alot more the Jimmy, Michael, and Simon. Julian can go deep consistantly, Stevie gets open dump every time, and is a good back up handler for Jimmy. Besides that, the rest of the 2009 kids are all strong players who can tear it up. While Jacob Janin is insane, im pretty sure he can get shut down, or at least contained by the rest of the team. Also, i think that the loss of Johnny, Ivan, Sam, Miles, and Jimmy will do alot more damage then people think it will.
does anyone know when turkey bowl (in eugene) is this year? Or who to contact?
thanks
SAAS will win westerns no question
we will just have to wait and see
if julian c-w cuts his hair he will be unstoppable
i covered squishmitten at westerns last year and wasnt as impressed as you guys seem to be. unless he grew a lot thru ycc and stuff since then, i wouldn't worry too much. i know that hooper and some of the hopkins handlers are as good or better...
i guarded julian at westerns last year and at ycc this year. he improved so much from westerns to ycc. he is one of if not the best juniors in the country this year.
I played against Julian at ycc's too and hes pretty damn good and definitely up there with Hooper, but I wouldn't say hes better than Janin. Hopkins has some good handlers but they also have Brickwedde and Simon Gotlieb cutting not to mention Greg Arenson can do both really well.
Jake Sachs would have been the greatest ultimate player in the nation if he didnt lose his knees to fumoral Lubeella syndrome..........what a horrible thing
How could you possibly say that Julian is better than Jacob. Wow, where have you been. Julian is good and a cool dude, but Jacob is way better.
that Jake Sachs kid was like a god on the feild. This kids was only 5'11" but had maybe a 50 inch vertical. Furious was beggin this 15 yeAR OLD to promise to come to their team. but this simon gotlieb was jealous and hit him in the knee and the rest was history, Jake sachs was going to be the savior of ultimate and bring it to the next level
best players on west coast:
1. Jacob Janin
2. Jimi Hooper or Matt raider
3. Julian C-W
i dont know about east coast, but these are the top four on the west. anyone disagree?
I don't think anyones said that Julian is better than Jacob, but that doesn't take anything away from Julian hes a great player
Who are the best players in each region?????????? and are they all trying out for worlds?
Julian is a baller and has improved greatly from Westerns. He can run for days and is really solid all around. He will be a very strong contender for worlds.
Jimmy Hooper
SAAS
Anyone trying out for worlds please state your name and years playing
Austin Skoglund
6'8"
200,000 lbs
been to 4 practices...
for what team???????????????????? is he trying out for worlds?
does anybody know where or when world tryouts are?
i have no idea, but matt rehder is the best deep on the west coast, ifnot the nation. I think He'll definatley make worlds.
matt rehder tooled everyone deep at YCC
anybody have any idea where westerns is gonna be?
Westerns will probably be somewhere in Oregon is my guess. Who do people think will be the top ten players at westerns this year?
1. Jacob Janin
2. Jimmy Hooper
3. Julian Childs Walker
the last 7 are up for grabs...
greg arenson, sam brickwedde,Gotliebs,Simon Montague, i hear about this Dylan FreeChild, Cooper Schumacher, dont even know who he is but people talk about him
westerns is still wide open for any team to take. with nws churchill and hale losing so many people, it gives janin&freechild(south) hooper(saas) squish(lakeside) and arenson&brickwedde(hopkins) the chances to really prove themselves and try to come out on top.
SAAS has much more than hooper. They wil take westerns if they don't beat themselves. They havent beaten lakeside in a while, but this year that will change. Simon Montague, Michael Revelas, and Julian snider will tear it up and toss people.
Anon 11:30
How many years have you played on SAAS its not cool if you talk shit for yourself only if other people do it for you.
Hopkins Hurt
Asa Gotlieb #23
asa you should talk we know half the comments about Hurt are from you and that you've voted for Hopkins to win westerns about 20 times you tool
I apoligize for my last comment it was unnecessary and i voted for Junction City. Sorry SAAS you guys are good and i shouldnt talk shit, and what i said was my opinion and didnt reflect any of the opinions of Hopkins Hurt.
Hopkins Hurt #23
Asa Gotlieb
There are some good players from Churchill still. Although I do not believe they will be a threat for the title this year. Churchill has probably the best sophomore in the west right now, Ian Campbell. He wasn't able to be at Westerns, but he would have played a lot as a freshmen. Watch out.
Simon Gottlieb
Robbie Shapiero
Asa Gotlieb
All hopkins all juniors all ballers
who are the best sophomores around the country?
It seems like all these good teams are basically junior and seniors like SAAS and South and Hopkins
remi schneider from lakeside is a huge sophomore baller.
also i hear dylan freechild from south? is he a sophomore? i hear he's good.
casey bateman from hale, although hale's team took a hit from losing so many seniors.
Jonah Herscu is extremely ballerific as is spencer diamond, both out of amherst, although they are clearly east coasters
Josh Klane
from where?
SAAS is going to get tooled by hale like they always too.
Western's score Hale 15 SAAS 7
who does nws have back this year? does anybody think that they have a shot at a fourpeat?
maybe. They have several underclassmen who are solid and could form a very strong team. SAAS and Lakeside should be able to beat them pretty handly. We'll see.
gabe fruchter- by far beset sophmore in the country. he used to go to hopkins and he would have been the best player on hopkins right now as a sophmore. hes 6'2 and can almost dunk. he now lives in seattle.
i second that for sure
id say itd be pretty tough to label someone the best sophomore in the country.
there are some mediocre teams out there right now in rebuilding years that have some pretty solid players, just without the numbers in senior or junior players to make runs at easterns or westerns.
always gotta look at the younger brothers of current studs too, almost always solid.
gabe's 2 older brothers play for oregon. One quit but the other is a starter. he is for sure best sophmore in the country 100% stand by it.
you guys need to stop saying baller for a good frisbee player, it makes no sense and it sounds stupid. also lakeside wont win a championship, they have athletes and skill players to do it but they have horrible chemistry and always end up bickering
Lakeside has beaten SAAS consistently over the past two years. SAAS has the potential to win westerns, but they have to beat lakeside first... Don't be quick to count out lakeside for a Western Championship. South will not win. HOpkins will not win. Its either SAAS or Lakeside taken the title thisyear.
I cant agree, yes lakeside actually probably has the most talent this year. They have never lost to SAAS, and they are athletic, but they dont work well together at all, i watched them a ton this year and they are always on each other, they have several guys that just rip them apart. Talent and athletism can take you places, but its a team that will win you a championship
Its true, when they played at cold fusion didnt they have a couple of guys walk off the field during the game? It doesnt matter how good they think they are thats just bad spirit
athletic sophomores mature.
someone walked off the field in a game?
it is true that lakeside has a few very talented players that definatley bring them down in big games but i think they have a shot at winning it. Sam Keller and Julian CW are leaders and will be the players that hold their team together. They are definatley a cotenteder this year for the championship.
how does that make sense how can they have very talented players that bring them down in big games, arent they supposed to do the opposite?
Julian and Sam will lead them this year. The talented players that may bring them down sometimes could also blow up and make a huge and positive impact.... If you have such a low view of lakesides talent, how do you explain them beating saas consistently and also beating hopkins?
they also lost to Hopkins sophomores by 3 and only beat Hopkins day one on Universe point. They didnt beat SAAS and national. It all matters how each team will match up with eachother.
All I know is that they have trouble with chemistry, they are talented and very athletic from what i remember but are they deep enough? THey have Julian CW he played at YCC isnt that it?
no, they have alot more than that. Sam keller, chris piggot, justin norden (yes, jeremys younger brother). These four are lakesides core.
no lie, that's a solid core... but what happens when they all get ass tired from playing every point? are they gonna have the depth and stamina to keep up with south saas hopkins nws or churchill for that matter?
they will beat churchil. It has been a pattern with lakeside to fall apart at westerns. I dont know how they will do against hopkins, saas, or south. Hopkins should be beaten by Lakeside, but nws might take lakeside down.
Son Hale will toss lakeside and saas like we always do, but sadly our downfall will come at the hands of amie "the tree" kawai and the rest of the velt players.
My prediction States 08: Hale 4 Roosevelt 15
anon 1:12 is just a big poo poo head that needs a friend. Hale is stupid and full of doo doo heads.
WELCOME TO HALE
Hopkins wins hold back the snow 15-4 against SJR in the final
Dear so called ultimate players,
in case you havent heard, hopkins is now the greatest team of all time. Asa Gotlieb and Colin Camp led the way for this championship team, these are two of the top five players in the nation. Look out for them at nationals becuase their size and athleticism ar unmatched throughout the nation and with the handling skills of robbie shapirate, can you spell victory?
Hopkins Hurt
Asa Gotlieb #23
i didnt write that and i dont know who did this is the real Asa Gotlieb. By the way the best player for the team was Brick. Again i dont refer to myself in the third person that is ridiculous so who ever the person is writing for me its not cool and it is a really low move please dont do it again
Asa Jay Gotlieb
who lives at 515 parkview terrace and plays for hopkins ultimate born november 7 1990 parents beth and david best friend jeremy ginsburg and favorite class history......just to prove that this is really me
That two posts ago was not asa or anyone on the ultimate team, no one talked about in the post even knew that it was going to happen or had anything to do with it. Dont be mad at them it wasnt their fault. I am sorry, i did it as a joke and it was dumb and not needed. Sorry for offending anyone.
Jake Sachs ex ultimate player
what about churchill? Yes they lost a bunch of seniors, but they have a really good junior class and a few very talented sophomores.
churchill played like all seniors, cept for maybe 1? they wont win, didnt they also lose luke? this is kinda a building year for them. And NW will not win, they are tiny kids this year that have hella skills but that cant carry them. It will really be Lakeside, Hopkins and SAAS this year. Its interesting those three, cuz Lakeside has yet to lose to SAAS and Hopkins beat Lakeside when they had their sophomores, so it shall be an interesting trio to see, it really comes down to the studs on teh teams making plays in clutch situations
CHS is screwed. They may throw some upsets but chances are they wont get far. They lost Luke, a huge amount of star Seniors and im pretty sure Dylan Freechild ditched them to play with south.
CHS in my mind might grasp 7th. If Ian Campbell, Louis Henry and Andrew Henry pull the squad together. Otherwise, CHS will be an easy win, even for a team like Tribe.
South will be hard to beat. They lost alot but they gained so much. Dylan Tyler and one of the Janins
Has anyone heard about this Hopkins Hustle tournament....its gonna be sick I know my team is sending in a bid....if anyone dare challenge us go to the tournameny
Future Hopkins Hustle Champion
top five teams at westerns... predictions
1. SAAS
2. Lakeside
3. NorthWest
4. south
5. hopkins
what is the reason behind your order.....what traits does each time have.....if each team was a spice girl....what spice girl would they be?
hopkins would be victoria beckham because they love hot guys
i think hopkins is run by aliens which makes them better than anyone on earth. By the way hopkins would be sporty spice becuase they know how to pack the pounds on. Asa Gotleib is by far the biggest alien, measuring a 6 foot dong.
David Kohn
TUL #7
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
asa... 6 foot dong... thats just hilarious
Matty "Just got shoulder surgery out for season until nationals" Freeman
Hopkins
hopkins wont be 5th, they will be in top 3
Ahem,
I have been to Westerns the last three years and have watched Hopkins play extensively. They are a good team. However, they are not the kind of caliber team that can make it past the quarterfinals, which would be an improvement, because they did not make it past pool play last year.
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