So i was looking around to see the last time the NYT covered ultimate, and stumbled on a few things...
the 1989 New York Times...
Running, diving, catching and striving constantly to move downfield toward an opponent's end zone. The game is not football, but Ultimate Frisbee.the 1999 New York Times...
MOMENTS before the start of their regional championship match two weeks ago, players from the world champion Ultimate Frisbee team Cigar huddled on the sidelines. They sized up their opponents, plotted defensive strategies and reviewed the rule on interference from pine trees in the end zone. Then they each grabbed hold of a white disk. ''All this talk is making me dizzy,'' they chanted. ''Yo, baby, yo, baby, let's get busy.''Complete with wonderfully quaint mis-characterizations and almost-truths such as this...
Soon, the Discraft -- considered more stable than the Wham-O Frisbee that gave the sport its name -- sailed the length of the field and was caught by an opposing player.A two-fer ladies and gentlemen - the discraft flew through the air, and also, Wham-O Frisbee gave the sport its name. But alas, coverage of any stripe in the world's most widely read newspaper is acceptable. As the saying goes - any press is good press. And as the saying goes in ultimate: "wait... press? what press?"
Well here's the trend, nationals seems to get covered with a full article of some length about once every 10 years, so where are ya New York Times, its about time for another article?
What's more interesting to me are these paragraphs...
The pace is similar to that of a soccer or lacrosse game, and thus requires a great deal of athleticism from its participants.In the 40 years since the sport was created we can't figure out a way to describe our sport to non-players in a way that does not invoke another sport. Why is that? Do you ever try to explain baseball to someone by comparing it to another sport? I would say rarely, you explain the objective and the rules.
To explain the game, players often use a medley of analogies to other sports. ''The sprinting is like in hockey,'' said Dan Haar, 40, a member of Ashtray and a business writer for The Hartford Courant. ''The scoring is like football, the offensive flow is like soccer and the defense is like basketball.''
But here is the kicker....
Ok two things here.But some wait for the day their sport will be played on a bigger stage. David Chaiken, who learned to play in Prospect Park in Brooklyn 20 years ago as a teen-ager, recalled a trip to Germany in 1989, when the Miami team for which he was playing performed in an Ultimate demonstration for the World Games. This year, World Games officials decided to include Ultimate as a medal sport at its 2001 competition in Japan. ''It took 10 years for that to happen,'' said Mr. Chaiken, who when not tossing Frisbees is the executive chef at Johnney's Fish Grill in the World Financial Center.
Yet Frisbee, as a sport, remains unfamiliar to many people. ''The perception that it is something you do on the beach with dogs is still out there,'' Mr. Chaiken said. ''It's still a grass-roots thing.''
1./ a personal pet peeve - and some ultimate players love this - "haha we play ultimate, with dogs!!" stop. just stop. this is done, when someone says this to you, kindly inform them of the sport you actually play. take your sport seriously. that article was from 10 years ago. the same joke is still funny now? that quote is from 10 years ago. 10 years ago.
It didn't help people realize that what you do doesnt involve a dog, and repeating it now wont help either.
2./ yes, ultimate is growing - there are more high school teams now in many cities than ever before. but...
The event was the culmination of sectional and regional competitions involving about 500 teams nationwideThat was from 1989... 20 years ago. There aren't that many more club teams now, which is very interesting to me. High school is exploding, college is as well to an extent. Summer leagues are more packed in my experience, but it seems club teams are remaining around the same level give or take?
What does this show - that roughly the same number of people want to play competitively? That most new additions to the game of ultimate have been recreational players?
This is a long and winding post, i realize. But i hope it spurs some discussion, ultimate in the media is a valid topic of discussion. Is ultimate-validity something that can be achieved by a conventional PR campaign by the UPA? (not that this has or will occurred) or is it something that is possible via a viral or street team style campaign? (something along the lines of youtube videos and posting the ten simple rules on light posts and city walls)
Or is it something that is just not achievable?
Let's hear some thoughts
Matt · 873 weeks ago
Matt 25p · 873 weeks ago
i think ryan's comment below is closer to what will happen - im not sure the club scene will expand much more than it already has. i think the lacking divisions will fill out their rosters, and as time progresses grand-masters may appear on the scene. but i think it will stay fairly contained - the huge growth will come as i've said in recreational players.
those numbers are from 1989, in 20 years there have been a ton of new high school players and new college players graduating from college - but the club numbers remain virtually the same. i think its very interesting
Ryan Thompson 23p · 873 weeks ago
But also, not everyone wants to or has the time to play club ultimate after college. I don't think that the club scene will get much bigger - even now, a lot of the teams at sectionals are college teams playing together for the club series. How many people play club or adult amateur leagues of any other sport? Not many, even though they enjoyed it in high school and college.
That said, I do think that the club division will grow a little bit as more people in HS and college fall in love with the sport, but really you may only have one player from each HS team go on to play club for more than two years after college - CHS has only 3 college alumni playing club right now.
seamus · 873 weeks ago
I have been playing about 5 years or so now but not having previously read these NY times articles, what strikes me is how familiar they sound. I have seen this basic article or something very similar to it countless times.
There is a formula to these articles. If you keep an eye out for ultimate in the media, you will recognise the formula. They usually start with a setting...sometimes these artilcles might even start with something like "think you know about frisbee? think again!" i hate that one. Before long they get to the brief explenation of the gameplay and rules. There is usually a local event, a local team or a participant that is the focus of the article. There might be an interview, even, and usually some positive comments on SOTG in there too. Then the ending: "look out for ultimate frisbee from here on...because it will be the next big thing".
what bothers me most about such formulaic pieces is that they often stress how this is, in fact, a serious sport.
When have i ever read an article about an accepted mainstream "serious sport" that stressed how it was, in fact, a serious sport?
so to the question in the original blog post: "Is ultimate-validity something that can be achieved by.....?". I dont think anything ever gained validity by talking about how valid it is. Just treat it as valid. Assume its valid.
Valid sports are in the sports pages of a newspaper. In 20 years we have not yet moved into the sports pages. Its not a press campaign to highlight the validity of our sport that is needed, but rather contact details for the sports departments of the newspapers. Send them tournament results and keep doing it.
Rumor Mill · 873 weeks ago
2. flout
Thomas Paine · 872 weeks ago
seamus · 871 weeks ago
David · 851 weeks ago
I hated that the writer used that last sentence. Whether you believe it or not I asked the writer NOT to use any "dog" reference as I knew I would (and did) get villified by my teammates. Unfortunately people who do not know about Ultimate STILL think it's a Hippie and Dog game. Members of my own family barely got excited when I came home with my first National Championship.
David · 851 weeks ago
The game desparately needs to be overhauled in regard to the rules of the game, referees stc. So many times I have seen aggregiously bad spirit in regard to self officiating, Yes even in the Finals of the National Championships! I don't even know why I continue to put my creaky body on the field.
Please read re.sport.disc for other posts about the need for a reworked rule/ref system.
I don't know what's right but I have seen and lived thru what's so very wrong with the sport and I believe it's the wrong things that keep the sport from growing.
You guys are the next generation and change will happen thru you so keep training and practicing and get involved in a bigger way. Vote in the UPA, get on the board and keep playing Ultimate.
Yours truly,
Mr. David Chaiken