Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Thoughts on Easterns and Westerns: Looking back

At the request of a commenter...

Let's look back at easterns and westerns, any thoughts? Best players? Best plays? Unfortunate matchups? Best games?

Does what happens at easterns and western predict what might happen at YCCs?

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del · 878 weeks ago

Uuh at easterns, the d1 v. d2 matchup is always killer as was the c1 v c2 this year as well. So those games are alwatys unfortunate. Some standout players at easterns uhh, Ben Funk (north hills #19), Zander, Tommy Li, Kale Clauson. As far as girls go Nora Hoover (nashville). As far as impressive plays are concerned, the Saul-Beaches connection was borderline unstoppable this year. Impressive games/unfortunate matchup, paideia v pennsbury in the quarters. Despite what the score says paideia did not give up easily and put up one hell of a fight pennsbury were simply the better team this year, both teams played awesome. Wasn't at westerns though I assume, Julian, Rehder, Revelas, Jimmy Hooper, Jacob Janin, Sam Brickwede were all pretty dominant players. Lakeside dominated that weekend, I was disapointed the final matchup wasn't lakeside v seattle acadmey. I know most of the lakeside team were juniors how about SAAS?
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Ryan Thompson 23p · 878 weeks ago

Next year will be an interesting one on the east coast - can Paideia recover? Will CHS repeat? Is it Pennsbury's turn again? Where will Amherst show up?
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anonymous · 878 weeks ago

I've been waiting for this thread for a while so here it goes (I''l get to next year at the end):

1. One of the big stories coming into easterns was that there were 5 elite teams (north hills, Columbia, Pennsbury, Paideia, and Amherst) but only 4 semis spots. Who would get left out? By the end of the weekend, Paideia showed that they did not belong in a discussion with the other 4. An 11-5 loss to Pennsbury and a 13-6 loss to Amherst in what people were expecting to be easily the best game on Saturday proved that Paideia was simply not good this year. In fact if the consolation games were played I would've picked woodside to beat them. Yeah, they didn't seem like a Paideia team this year to say the least.

2. Columbia seemed dominant until the semis. All of this talk about Columbia Pennsbury games "going either way" is stupid. In my opinion, Columbia dominated the earliest matchup (15-8) at Born to Dive. After that Pennsbury really improved in the pool play matchup at Amherst Invite and then even more in the finals of AI. Finally, in the 4th matchup (semis of easterns) they lost by just one point but that game actually "could've gone either way". But of course, the game ended the only way it could. After Pennsbury ended Columbia's season two seasons in a row on universe point at easterns, (2006 quarters, 2007 semis) it was only fitting that Columbia won on universe point. And of course with an incredible sky by Zander.

3. Player of the tournament without question was Zander Padget. He dominated most of his matchups with Beaches from Pennsbury coming the closest to defending him closely followed by Julian Summa (that kid is nasty). Beaches is definitely faster than Julian but Julian's bigger and stronger physique helps him in the air. Other than these three, Brian Walter (Columbia), Josh Cincotta (Columbia), Jonah Herscu (Amherst), Isaac Saul (Pennsbury), and Colin Conner (North Hills) were some of the best players at the tournament.

4. Next year, as Ryan pointed out, will certainly be interesting. This was by far the youngest Amherst team I've ever seen. Some of their main players (Jonah, Julian, Misha Herscu, Spencer Diamond) were juniors and sophomores. They're losing Andrew Kieffer, but they'll be nasty next year. North Hills will lose everyone but still be a quarters/ semis team while Paideia will continue to rebuild (they're losing their best players: Michael Terry, John Terry, and Kale). Columbia loses nine seniors but will have eleven next year so they should be right back in it. And Pennsbury, right now I'd pick them as the favorite. They're losing very few players and they have a knack for beating Amherst.
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del · 878 weeks ago

I'd like to point out longmeadow also took it pretty hard to pennsbury in pool play. Also like I said paideia did in fact put up a fight against pennsbury and it was an intense game with great plays on both sides it just didn't work out for paideia.

Keep in mind paideia still has chris kocher and mark st. louis (sophmores and freshman respectively this last season) who both played very well. Knowing Baccarini he'll be able to get a winning team together.

As far as north hills is concerned Max Thorne and Patrick Earles (freshmen) both played at easterns, as well as two returning varsity playing seniors so they will have a strong future if not in 09 then later.

Amherst will always be a forced to be reckoned with.

Who knows also a young team could come out of nowhere.
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amonymous · 878 weeks ago

A young team had better come out of nowhere or this year will be a joke with the first undefeated high school eastern champions arising ready to conquer from the illadelph. phs is losing 2 players with significant playing time in jay principi and ryan mcgill. 15 juniors return next year hungry alongside any new athletic recruits from the 3000-strong fanatical frisbee following pennsbury high school...

as for easterns... Chs was the best high school team in the nation by the time easterns came around. we were both completely prepared and were finally ready to prove that it could "go the other way" but columbia won on universe showing they always had the edge. xander is sick and led their team to victory looking back there was no way he would lose this year.

north hills are overrated they are very huck happy but just arent that good at picking the swills they try to jack. they rely on d to retrieve turned hucks but they cant d up well enough on a honed offense (amherst, phs)

amherst looked decent but just not good enough at AI. much better at easterns though, longmeadow i believe could beat a weak 2008 paideia team but was stuffed by arhs. Amherst and paideia are both wildcards, they need work but could be sick next year. some BIASED rankings, no need to get angry over any them as they are pure opinion:

1.chs

2.phs

3. chs without xander

4.arhs

(decent drop off in talent)

5.north hills

6.long meadow

(slight drop off in talent)

7.woodside

8.huda! only other competitive team in phuel

(huge drop off in talent)

all other teams

sick players at easterns:

xander, bechis. xander can play every role on the field but as a defender or deep threat they are both equally sick

tim from chs, josh cincotta, justin baughn, isaac saul, tommy li=best handlers

terry brothers are most likely to run shit in college theyre huge & sick, they kept paideia in a quarters match where their offense was not connecting, but they looked out of place on an inxperienced team
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amonymous · 878 weeks ago

i forgot paideia in my ranking, theyre right above longmeadow
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anonymous · 878 weeks ago

who are some big players that will be back next year?
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anonymous · 878 weeks ago

I'll agree that north hills is ranked below chs and pennsbury but they can't be classified as "decent drop off in talent". They were the only team to beat the Seattle all star team at paideia cup (and by an impressive margin, 15-9). Trust me, that Seattle team was good. I assume you're from pennsbury when you say "we were both completely prepared and were finally ready to prove that it could go the other way". I never played paideia so my opinion is not as reliable but from what I saw of them and their scores (13-6 loss to a very average Amherst team) I can't see how they can be "sick" next year. The Terry's were their best players and they're not even good. Don't give Paideia so much respect just because they have one of the best programs in the country. They weren't good.
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Del · 878 weeks ago

It may have been an average amherst team, but they none the less made finals. I for one would not hold that against paideia. They were the 5th best team their by far and longmeadow was definitely the 6th best. Those seedings were certainly correct. The top 4 were also correct just in the wrong order hehe. I'd venture to say 1. Coulmbia, 2. Pennsbury, 3. Amherst, 4. North Hills. North Hills also had their prom saturday night which may have hurt them a bit idk really, maybe a NH player can confirm? All I know is from what I saw at Paideia cup, NH definitely deserved the first seed, unfortunately they just couldn't pull off the easterns win in a close game against amherst.

That being said the top 6 were all great teams, and I think the comments about the terry's not being good or considerable drop in talent are just disrespectful and do not reflect what this sport is all about.
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Anon · 878 weeks ago

Did the eastern/westerns pics ever come out yet?
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x · 878 weeks ago

yeah im tryna see some photos
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anon · 878 weeks ago

I thought that at westerns,Janin was without a doubt the best player there. Whenever he wanted the disc he got it, and was a super nice guy, and great teammate. Next year westerns belongs to Lakeside who is really only losing one player. Although Lakeside will be the best team next year, Dylan Freechild from South Eugene will be the best player. He dominated in the Hopkins game, as non of their defenders even challened dylan.
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Del · 878 weeks ago

Is Seattle Academy mainly juniors like lakeside, orr are they graduating some better players or what?
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del · 878 weeks ago

Also, I think best player at westerns is up for grabs, don't forget Rehder, Revelas, Jimmy, and Julian.
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quan · 878 weeks ago

i love how two years in a row north hills peaks at paideia, gets all the hype and then proceeds to show their true colors at Easterns. honestly although Paideia cup is a great tournament to attend with awesome competition the results mean very little, its just to early in the season.
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Anon · 878 weeks ago

Matt Rehders team does not attend westerns, Revelas and Hooper are seniors, and Julian is a great player, but Dylan is dominant.
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Don Rickles · 878 weeks ago

How many Pennsbury kids write on this site? seems like a lot. Lets review: Pennsbury has won ONE eastern championship ever when the best team in the east, (Paidiea) didn't even go. And a couple of state championships. Great work guys. Really something to be proud of.

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#24 Hopkins HURT · 878 weeks ago

No way you can say Janin dominated the game. Did you even see the game at all? Freechild absolutely dominated us, he got it whenever he wanted. Don't get me wrong janin is a phenomoneal player, he is probably he best player in the country, but there is no way you can see he "dominated" the hopkins game at westerns. He didn't even play D points, and they only beat us by 1 or 2.
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anon · 878 weeks ago

but in pennsbury's defense, they beat columbia 4 times this season
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Anonymous · 878 weeks ago

I'm annoyed by some of the comments as well. Some anonymous poster is already willing to predict a perfect season for Pennsbury 2009, based purely on their senior heaviness. Sounds a lot like the pre-season and post Paideia North Hills hype to me. Prediction: Pennsbury will be one of the best teams on the coast, but will have to contend with Amherst and CHS, both returning large percentages of players.

Other comment. In a post Paideia Cup thread McCabe characterized Easterns 2008 as a battle between the older teams (PHS, CHS, ARHS, Paideia) and the "new kids on the block" (North Hills). We know now how that turned out. It doesn't do to bet against the old boys club. This year was the best chance for a newish team to take home a championship. Next year, despite any assertions concerning North Hills talented JV team or Longmeadow's depth, we will see the familiar four in the semis.
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Isaac · 878 weeks ago

Three Pennsbury kids post on this site, four including me, and the three anonymous ones were all seniors this past year. I have been trying to put a name to a post all season, don't let em reflect on us too much, its only blogspot "Don." And yeah, State championships and some nice showings at Easterns is something to be proud of, thats all you got in youth ultimate... we work for it, why all the hate? Every team has their shit - talkers.
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Isaac · 878 weeks ago

P.S. thats my last post on this site until after Easterns... everyone just wants to talk shit and take things to seriously, and not leave their names or their real names.. we should just play ultimate instead, let the scores do the shit talking. We lost to CHS, they were better then us this year. We won some big games, we have won Easterns, we have our State titles, don't try and take that away. We're good, we got a good program, and we should have a good year next year if everything goes well and hopefully can keep the team going after our huge graduating class. I hope you all have fun on this site for the next 11 months.

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Don Rickles · 878 weeks ago

I will have fun trying to decode which posts are really you, posting under an anonymous name. Best team in the east 2007: Paideia. Second best team in the east with gold medals in 2007: Pennsbury.
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Ryan Thompson 23p · 878 weeks ago

Paideia can't even go to Easterns in 2009 because they skipped out on GA States, but hey, Paideia JV might make the semis next year!
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Del · 878 weeks ago

It's not worth shit talking guys, pennsbury is in fact a good team. The reason I personally am predicting a big season for pennsbur next year is not because of the high percentage of seniors, but because they will be returning key players next year who helped them preform as well as they did this year and next year will have a year worth of more experience (as well as one returning player who will have played worlds).

That's all I'm saying, next year should be a fun season!

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