Paideia traveled down the street to their first college tournament of the season, Discs Over Georgia, hosted by Emory. Paideia fell to Clemson twice on the weekend, once in pool play (10-4) and again in the semifinals (13-5). Other local high school team Heritage failed to make it out of the pool, losing to Clemson 11-4. Paideia trumped Georgia College & State University in the quarterfinals 9-7 before facing Clemson again. Ben Slade of Clemson offers the following writeup on RSD:
Paidiea gets an upwind break to start the game 1-0 on an overthrow. The offenses trade laborious upwind scores back and forth to three all, with many windy turnovers. Clemson becomes enamored with throwing it away on the goal-line. #15 from Paidiea is working hard and resetting the offense well against Clemson's flat marks. Clemson gets several breaks and works to take half at 7-3 or 7-4. Out of half, Clemson takes control on defense and doesn't look back, winning by a safe margin. Paidiea's over-the-top throws get caught in the nasty wind (20-25mph gusts, and very swirly).
Are any other high school teams attending college tournaments? Several teams submitted bids to Huck of the Irish but were turned down, and YHB, Pennsbury, and Columbia have expressed interest in attending Cultimate's Roll Call tournament in Washington, D.C. on March 29th and 30th.
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TDs like Dave Branick (Huck of the Irish) should certainly be educated that there is a precedent for admitting high school teams into post hs-tournaments.
See:
1. ARHS at Lemony Fresh
2. Paideia / Brutal Grassburn at Mudbowl.
Furthermore, similar tournament directors need to learn not to be quick to overlook hs teams, especially when such teams lack these competitive opportunties or any opportunities at all for that matter.
So TDs, be on the look out for hungry high school teams! Your allowing them to participate will further develop high school ultimate, as well as provide collge teams with a chance to do some recruiting on a personal level.
HotI received over 80 bids for their 48 spots... they were able to easily fill the tournament with university teams, which I don't think is unreasonable. Sure, the top high school teams would have done well, but you could make the same argument that some B-teams deserved to get in as well.
Disclaimer: my team is going to HotI this year, and has for years.
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No. College B-teams can play in a separate division or tournament. The best teams should be invited, and if that happens to include one or two high school teams, so be it. It's about putting the best Ultimate together out on the field.
college b-teams, from legitimate programs, are better than high school teams, period.
wisconsin b
pittsburgh b
georgia b
carleton b
florida b
colorado b
among other b-teams have not and will not lose to high school teams.
its a whole 'nother level champ, you'll understand when you play one of those teams.
that being said, hoti let in some pretty head scratchin teams compared to others that applied, but all will be told come sectionals time.
"wisconsin b
pittsburgh b
georgia b
carleton b
florida b
colorado b"
um, nice group of teams but none of them are attending Huck of the Irish. did any of them bid? possibly pitt B given the reasonable proximity.
so again, these teams would not be competing with top high school teams. no instead, shitty college teams are taking the spots from top high school teams.
additionally, cut doesn't have a b-team. ask GOP.
I'm pretty sure that Amherst most years and Paideia and NW School last year would have beaten all of those B teams that you list.
In fact Paideia beat Florida B pretty resoundingly and also beat several teams last year that beat Georgia B.
That said, I can understand why college tournaments want to only take college teams. Although I can also see the argument for taking the best possible teams regardless of their HS/College status. I was very bummed that the Paideia Girls didn't get into College Terminus this year.
High school growth is important, but so is college growth -- it's not a perfect division yet by any means. Plenty of schools have fledgling teams far less supported than ARHS or Columbia... and they need to get into tournaments too. I think a college tournament is more than justified in placing the growth of its own division first.
that comment about college b teams is funny because last year nws and paideia soundly beat many mid level college teams and even a few better than that. i think on college rri last year both those high school teams were in the 30's. if a high school team is good enough they should get a bid but it is often hard for a hs team to be able to prove that they deserve to be there. also if the college tournament has a significant drinking element associated with it they may be reluctant to admit a hs team for obvious reasons.
According to score reporter, Columbia High School beat several college teams in Club sectionals, and I think they even made regionals. As did Pennsbury the year before that. Last year Paideia was beating most college teams they faced as well as some who were pretty close to making nationals. Amherst and Needham beat up on some college teams as well in the NE. I think it is safe to say the top high school teams prob could give several college teams a run for their money or could even beat them.
As for growth of teams and players, the point of having a B team is so that they can play and learn the sport, eventually improving their A team. If the top tournaments took the best teams HS or College, there are still tons of other tournaments for B teams to play in and develop as players.
columbia did not beat any of those b-teams listed.
kyle, you're wrong.
huck of the irish let some pretty silly teams in compared to the ones they left out, im not defending that. and maybe by in large b-teams (for smaller school, smaller programs) might be in tight games with high school teams, and maybe even lose to top hs programs.
but, you can not blanket statement that b-teams would be beat by hs teams.
those b-teams listed above would beat the majority of a-teams in the country, check out the rri at the end of the season, or who ends up at regionals.
b at those schools is a everywhere else.
If there is this much of a discussion where people think that high school teams cannot beat those B teams, or the majority of college teams, then maybe people should put their money where their mouth is and let them into college tournaments and see how they do.
Jake
This isn't a discussion about who would win certain matchups, it's a discussion about who deserves to be let into tournaments, sometimes despite knowing that an outcome is pretty certain.
There are high school tournaments, and there are college tournaments, and it'll bring more legitimacy to the sport if we soon keep them completely separate, is all I think.
If Ultimate was an NCAA sport, then there would be college-only tournaments among the NCAA teams, and there could still be club teams affiliated with colleges who could play whoever they wanted to. Having Ultimate as an NCAA sport would also help the growth of HS Ultimate so maybe the best HS teams wouldn't have to rely on college tournaments to find competitive games.
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